Comments on: Women Theatre Directors Action Planning Forum https://classic.augustasupple.com/2010/05/women-theatre-directors-action-planning-forum/ Thu, 14 Aug 2014 23:31:48 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.4.27 By: Rebecca Clarke https://classic.augustasupple.com/2010/05/women-theatre-directors-action-planning-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-404 Mon, 24 May 2010 01:23:33 +0000 https://classic.augustasupple.com/?p=1300#comment-404 An entertaining and intelligent conversation…from some of the leading creatives and thinkers in our industry. Thank you. Shine on!

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By: Augusta Supple https://classic.augustasupple.com/2010/05/women-theatre-directors-action-planning-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-385 Fri, 21 May 2010 05:26:01 +0000 https://classic.augustasupple.com/?p=1300#comment-385 Thanks for the discussion…
Perhaps if the history of art wasn’t so male dominated, we would feel differently about responses to our work? If women critiqued women, would this make a difference? Is there a difference in women’s writing and men’s writing? I think about this alot. In a fabulous book “Rage and Reason: women playwrights on playwrighting” there is a discussion on an female aesthetic or a female writing. I’m not sure I believe that there is a female style of writing. I don’t feel particularly “female”- but that may be a part of being brought up in a very gender-neutral and feminist household. I also think about nome de plumes. I am known as “Gus” by friends and colleagues- and I have never found any significant difference in opportunities offered to me when I was writing as “Gus” as opposed to “Augusta”… I think I am bullied, criticised, harrassed and scrutinized not as a woman, but as an artist. I think the fact I am a woman gives some weak minded individuals a feeling that I may give up, or be more sensitive and therefore their harrassment/bullying will work. I may be a woman, but that does not mean I am not stubborn, I am. I am incredibly stubborn and ambitious and focussed… and I believe in my work and my integrity. And if people close doors on me,hate my work, deny me, have new glass ceilings put in to stop me as an artist- I don’t mind at all. Because I’m not going to be stopped by them. I’m going to keep going: I am an artist- and I am compelled to continue- and other people’s issue with my gender is not going to stop me.

And Alison I completely agree- It is, and it must be about the work. I am No woman wants to be programmed based on her gentials. She wants to be (and should be) programmed and evaluated based on her talent. It seems to me that the paradigm is male focused- our history is male focused- and it’s not going to get any better by dropping out of art, or moving country, or giving in: but by taking active practical steps.

This debate is not about the artists. For me, women artists are not to blamed for “not fitting in” or “working under a feminie aesthetic”, or “for being not mainstage ready.” This debate is about programmers- and those who make the decisions about programming artists in mainstage companies: I am looking at Artistic Directors, General Managers, artistic associates and the boards when I am talking about this. The talent is there. Undeniably. WHY AREN’T WOMEN ARTISTS REPRESENTED EQUALLY IN MAINSTAGE SEASONS? The answer is simple. Because it is easier to pay attention to those things that catch your eye- whether it is a dufflecoated wearing young groovy boy with a charming smile- or a playwright with big eyes and poster-boy marketability. It’s about what is easy to see, easy to be attracted to- professionally and personally. They are looking for that which they believe reflects their company, their aesthetic- and that will attract like minded folk to what they like. They are programming taste- NOT VALUE. They are programming what they are attracted to… because it’s easier.
I am not afraid to say that I think a large piece of the problem lies in the fact that many ADs, many ART. ASSOCs don’t see other people’s shows- and nothing beyond the mainstage. They don’t bother with Independent shows (that era is over when the AD of STC would show up to BSHARP shows). They rely on the “who’s cool” to decide who the up and coming talent is… They don’t put effort into seeking out talent – they aren’t looking- they are too busy running a company. So it’s easier to programme that which is flashy and obvious and in your face… that which comes directly from the major drama schools- that which is already in line with what they like and how they see themselves. And that is where things are self perpetuated.
It is time to stop questioning or examining or scrutinizing the victims of this ignorance of who is doing what and where- it is time to ask the programmers to take an active, brave interest in that which is beyond their scope of taste- and take a punt on that which is outside the square. But before we do that- lets start being practical in Lysistrata terms- lets band together and support each other first.

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By: Alison Croggon https://classic.augustasupple.com/2010/05/women-theatre-directors-action-planning-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-380 Thu, 20 May 2010 03:48:26 +0000 https://classic.augustasupple.com/?p=1300#comment-380 I DO care about the quality of the work. Deeply. If I didn’t, I wouldn’t be true to myself as an artist or a critic.

But I agree that in the context in which it’s often used, it’s just a straw man. This is said straight-faced by people who program David Williamson knowing full well that if he’s about as high quality as a chocolate kettle.

I’ve just finished co-writing a music theatre piece with Daniel. Writing it was a joy, and the result is a work which is about as 50/50 as you get: he wrote a bit, then I wrote a bit, until we got to the end, then both of us separately and then together worked it over. But I keep thinking of how COWBOY MOUTH is so often credited Sam Shepard’s work alone, and the fact that it was co-written by Patti Smith gets completely forgotten. That’s not because of Sam or Patti, but because it’s so widely assumed that any man in a partnership with a woman will be the senior and authoritative member, and his is the legitimate work. That erasure is just part of being a woman writer, as history so depressingly confirms.

I know damn well that my poetry is read in certain ways by certain readers (not all readers, thankfully) because I am identifiably female, and that if I had a man’s name it would be read differently. I’ve long experienced – and refused, insofar as one can – the subtle marginalisations that go with that, especially the one that goes with not being a proper “feminine” woman. I know as a critic that I attract a certain kind of abuse that would never be directed towards a man. My fantasy books – which are as epic as all get out – have attracted putdowns in some “hardcore” SFF circles because if they are by a woman and feature a heroine and are read by girls they are a priori soft and mushy romances, even though I write smarter and better epic than a lot of the boy’s Big Fat Fantasies.

In short, I’ve experienced all sorts of ways in which the reception of my writing is affected by my being a woman in ways which I believe are totally extrinsic to the quality and kind of the writing itself. I’ve often thought of writing under a nom de plume, even as an experiment, but, you know, another part of me feels quite bloodyminded about that – my name is my name. And I do sometimes wonder if I’m one of those writers who after my death will disappear, only to be rediscovered a few decades later by feminist researchers. Because it’s happened to so many women artists, it’s hard not to think it might not happen to me.

And this is why quality matters to me. My response to this kind of bullshit has always been to grit my teeth and write better than the men who are patting me on the head. It works. The annoying thing is that it works under the radar: it gets me readers, lots of them, but it doesn’t change the wider structural problem. But I do think one of the ways to combat this is that we get very articulate about what we consider quality to be in art, and how it is not predicated on having or not having a penis but on the work itself.

One thing I know for sure is that saying nothing out of fear of retaliation is the same as admitting defeat before you even begin.

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By: Van Badham https://classic.augustasupple.com/2010/05/women-theatre-directors-action-planning-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-379 Thu, 20 May 2010 02:54:22 +0000 https://classic.augustasupple.com/?p=1300#comment-379 Gus,

It’s one thing to say “vote with your bum”, but the system of election in this system is first past the post and it doesn’t work.

I support women writers. I go to see their work. So do a lot of other people – “Molly” is right, the punters don’t care about the gender thing. My last show in Sydney was a commercial hit that did sold out houses, masses of publicity and great money. But so what? What did that change for a single other woman playwright? Noone in a theatre company lit department turned round and said “Well, Badham’s new one’s turning farts into raw crude at the Fitz, better include more women in our next season.” No-one cares – the theatre companies just don’t think that maintaining a 50/50 representative balance is important. Girls don’t feature in their internal culture, and so girls don’t get staged.

To think that attendance alone is going to alter programming to REPRESENTATIVE levels requires not only people to bum-vote their way into shows by women, but also to “boy”cott shows by boys: and that’s ridiculous. Look at the stats on this site. LESS THAN A THIRD of the productions cited were written by women. In a “vote-with-your-bum” scenario, to exert some market pressure on programmers, we’d have to deliberately avoid 2/3rds of the work staged so they lost money, or encourage other people to, or what, exactly?

And advocating that we change this boys-club culture by organising away from it is an activism cul-de-sac as well… because we’ve been doing this FOR YEARS. We did it with Playworks and now we do it with less money. Planning and meeting and talking and making cups of tea and seeing one another’s shows and writing on one another’s blogs tut-tutting about how bad it is and all we’ve got at the end of it is an artistic separatist commune and LOOK AT THE DAMN CHART, LESS THAN A THIRD OF THE SHOWS.

If you don’t take the fight to the people with the ACTUAL POWER then you are condemned to be crushed by it. The boys will grind us into the ground every time; they won’t be doing it because they’re misogynists, or bastards or out to get us – they’ll do it because our self-referential universe is so powerless, it’s irrelevant. They’ve got more important things to consider, like the publicity schedule for next year, and attaching name actors to the main season, and devising a show that can tour and yes, girls, have another cup of tea, these are lovely lamingtons, we’ll see you at the launch.

And, yes, we can always form our own collectives and make our own spaces and embroider very prettily on the fringes of the main game, but I’ve done that for 15 years and I’m over the goddamn bake sale – I want me and my sisters to have our half of our damn cake. I want the sexism to STOP, forcibly, and I want 50/50 representation of women on mainstage stages. NOW. I want one-for-one programming of new Australian writing and damn it, I am a taxpayer currently funding the theatres that don’t think that equity or representation is very important and I have the right to be BLOODY CROSS ABOUT IT.

You know, I don’t give two hoots about the supposed “quality” of the work, either. That’s a false issue used to make women paranoid and so obsessed with introspection that they curl up like stabbed turtles. A theatre company programmes to personal relationships and shared aesthetics and forced to actually represent women they will forge the first and find the second. I promise you, bringing in a one-for-one programming policy will NOT affect ticket sales, it will not affect the proportion of the work people like or hate. It just might make some boys get over themselves for five minutes and that, I’ll argue, is good for all concerned.

Supporting women and fighting the man are not mutually exclusive – they are BOTH NECESSARY in this struggle. It IS fighting-the-man time. It is stand up and start shouting time. It is ONE-FOR-ONE or the funding gets bloody pulled because it’s a disgrace time.

Growl! Bark! SNAP! SNAP SNAP SNAP!

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By: Molly Dean https://classic.augustasupple.com/2010/05/women-theatre-directors-action-planning-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-377 Wed, 19 May 2010 12:28:06 +0000 https://classic.augustasupple.com/?p=1300#comment-377 As a strong willed, explosive, creative young woman back in 1930, I noticed a huge change in my career trajectory when I pulled back from supporting my artist boyfriend, (emotional support, cooking, cleaning, laughing at his jokes, listening, being the subject of his paintings), when I pulled back and told him about my dreams, how I wanted to write the great Australian novel and how I’d love him to support me a little bit, he didn’t want to, his male friends didn’t want to and the other women in our circle didn’t want to either.

They thought I was too aggressive and too ambitious and aggression and ambition are a little unattractive. Remember that lass in ‘All about Eve’?

Well this is when all my problems started, and soon after, someone whacked me over the head with crow bar and I died.

Everyone was relieved because they didn’t have to think about it anymore.

Thing is, 80 years later, I still think that’s the rub (not the crow bar bit, the support bit).

In the experience of the not-so-young-now writer I’ve been haunting for the last 10 years, she’s seen some damn feisty, creative, talented young female writers out there who use all that energy to get the first few shows up off their own bat, sacrifice their health, their relationships, everything really, just to get on stage.

And everyone loves something new, so there is interest.

The blokes (of same skill level and talent) also doing the DIY thang, in this part of the narrative, start to get more formal support, find lots of other women to produce and fundraise for them, even bake cakes as part of those fundraisers…

This doesn’t happen for the ladies.

And this is the rub. There comes a time when there is no energy left, no ‘Fuck you, let’s DIY’, because you’re all out. And at that point, it seems that the system steps in to support the male writers, push them along, help them get better at their craft, while the women are left dangling.

Yes the majority of the audience out there are women, and the majority of the audience out there are also middle-aged.

My not-so-young-now writer friend doesn’t believe the average punter chooses what to see based on whether a male or female wrote it, she believes the industry does, but not the punter off the street.

She talks to a lot of them you see.

So the female writer does need to strike off any thoughts about the industry popping in to have a look, but there is hope for her in the average punter (with a good publicity team and a catchy premise).

But how can these average punters vote with their bums, if it’s nigh impossible for women to get the show up in the first place?

A question of chicken or egg perhaps?

Oh and women aren’t cool. Doesn’t matter in they’re in pinstriped pants like Nick Cave or skirts, they’re not cool.

There’s something to be said for the cult of personality.

My not-so-young-now writer friend doesn’t believe women have a different writing style to men, they may choose to write in the feminine, but we all have equal parts feminine and masculine, and anyone can make a conscious decision which to write in or across.

Gee I’d love a cup of tea with a shot of whiskey in it, but god damn, can someone attach my head back to my body?

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By: Augusta Supple https://classic.augustasupple.com/2010/05/women-theatre-directors-action-planning-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-375 Wed, 19 May 2010 06:39:27 +0000 https://classic.augustasupple.com/?p=1300#comment-375 Thanks Molly and Van,
Thank you for your impassioned articulation- it’s great to hear some playwrights voices- something that I felt was sorely lacking in the forum at Belvoir two mondays ago. In fact, I think there was a coment left on 7-on’s blog about the forgetting to invite playwrighs to this forum.
There was one female pracitioner who did say she felt that there was a feminine aesthetic and process- I am of course bound by the pledge we all took not to name names or publicly comment/attribute ideas to individuals in the room/working groups. She made it clear that she felt that her biology very much informed her sense of creativity. Of course I don’t feel the same way about my creative process- but I will have to pull a Voltaire and declare: “I disagree with what you have to say but will fight to the death to protect your right to say it.”
The problems/issues raised were plentiful – and many of them were generic issues about the difficulites of being a theatre practitioner in general- not necessarilly specific to being a female practitioner. Some of the participants felt more passionately than others about the transparency surrounding programming choices. Some ignored the role of the general manager/board in the decision making process about selecting artistic leaders.
It is horrifying to me how much we have returned to this problem once again- and thirty years on we have 1 day of action planning, as opposed to the 3 afforded the women in 1981. We also, yet again, are often found squabbling amongst oursleves about quotas and causes of this gender injustice and questioning the quality of each others work.
My proposal is this- let’s actively support each other. Let’s actively change the culture we have inherited by choosing to support each other- in our differences in our aesthetics and approaches- in our philosophies- instead of “fighting the man” why don’t we start by “supporting the women?”
I have also hear the very tongue in cheek remark from a remarkable female director who commented that “if you are a female director who is serious about her career, and you want to be noticed – you must wear pants, not skirts.”
I’m a skirt wearer- always have been, always will be… but I support the pant wearers… and regardless of pant or skirt- or whatever covers or not covers your bum- VOTE with it! It’s a powerful, economic tool- and sends a clear message- WOMEN WORK IS WORTH SUPPORTING.

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By: Van Badham https://classic.augustasupple.com/2010/05/women-theatre-directors-action-planning-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-373 Wed, 19 May 2010 02:37:18 +0000 https://classic.augustasupple.com/?p=1300#comment-373 Augusta,

As an excellent t-shirt a friend of mine once bought said: “I’ll be a post-feminist in a post-patriarchy”.

Reality check, girls of the Australian theatre: there is nothing *post* about this patriarchy and we are in it up to our necks. We are living in a society where a theatre that receives government money parades the writers and directors of an entire mainstage season before an audience and there is only one woman on the stage. Where the same company responds to public alarm at this visual demonstration of gender problems by staging a panel about women playwrights that has no women playwrights on it. I know Alison Croggon writes opera libretti and has written plays, but that is not the point. It never was the point – just as it doesn’t matter which company it was, because we ALL KNOW that the problems are endemic across the industry.

The point is that patriarchy exists not because men are sitting in rooms plotting to destroy or denigrate women but because men are sitting in rooms with other men so often that it doesn’t occur to them that women should even bloody be there. The men who make these decisions are so used to seeing women in support roles that to have them anywhere else in the structural hierarchy seems aberrant. The structure is so enshrined that women vindicate, excuse and reinforce it. That’s how hegemony works.

Does anyone ACTUALLY BELIEVE that women do somehow have a different “intrinsic aesthetic”? Or aren’t as good at pitching or playwriting or anything else? My ovaries don’t determine my subject matter, my breasts have no relationship to my writing stylistics. I’m not good or bad depending on my capacity to bloody menstruate. Not that I’m saying “I got a break, women – stand up for yourselves and you can, too”. I’m actually saying “Change your name – my career got traction when I changed my name from ‘Vanessa’ to ‘Van’ and I seized the 12 months of de-gendered confusion to (ha ha) make a name for myself.” Allowing my actual gender to be revealed was, I am sure, the biggest mistake of my professional life.

The sexism – and that’s what it is, look at the damn chart at the top of the blog and tell me it’s anything else – is not malicious. Let me be very clear about that. Some of my best friends are the gender-blind, hegemony-affirming, patriarchal twits that are keeping Australian theatre firmly in the 1970s and the women busy making the lamingtons. God help me.

It’s a cocoon of privilege, self-interest and plain laziness on the part of individuals with power that keeps the status quo so blatantly oppressive to women in this business. It’s only going to change through two means; 1.) that the funders, the sponsors, government and audiences, actually force theatre companies to adhere to enshrined equal opportunity policies with their recruitment and programming or face funding withdrawals or subscription cancellations or 2.) some of the men enjoying the benefits of patriarchal inequalities actually MAN UP and bloody SACRIFICE some privilege to give women a go.

For either of these things to happen, of course, it requires a bit of fearless articulation on the part of the oppressed. It’s convenient for people with privilege to not have to hear actual dissatisfaction – and since this ridiculous state of affairs came to public attention last year, I have become sick to the earholes of hearing women who already have nothing telling me they’ll have less than nothing if they complain.

Bollocks to it. Bollocks to all of it – *I’m* complaining. Theatre, and I know a lot of people forget this, is part of the entertainment business and this ongoing gender misery is not entertaining. It’s prehistoric, pathetic and really very bloody boring.

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By: Molly Dean https://classic.augustasupple.com/2010/05/women-theatre-directors-action-planning-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-369 Tue, 18 May 2010 08:37:20 +0000 https://classic.augustasupple.com/?p=1300#comment-369 Dude, part of the reason is that women aren’t cool, stories about women aren’t cool, duffle coats don’t hang loose over our hips, and rage is only cool when it’s emerging guttural-like from Nick Cave’s throat (in Berlin preferably)

‘Swwwaaaamp-lands’

It’s also because other women who play those supporting producing/fundraising roles don’t think it’s very cool to produce/fundraise for another woman. They’d rather do it for a cool, duffle-coat wearing, whiskey-swigging, genius-boy-man.

Then there’s a whole bunch of other reasons that are simply confusing, subtle, depressing and unclear.

And then we get really tired and change career paths.

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