Comments on: Australian Theatre Forum 2013 | Thursday (Before Lunch) PT 1 https://classic.augustasupple.com/2013/06/australian-theatre-forum-2013-thursday-before-lunch-pt-1/ Thu, 14 Aug 2014 23:31:48 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.4.27 By: Augusta Supple https://classic.augustasupple.com/2013/06/australian-theatre-forum-2013-thursday-before-lunch-pt-1/comment-page-1/#comment-59446 Sun, 16 Jun 2013 14:04:38 +0000 https://classic.augustasupple.com/?p=3944#comment-59446 Dear Tom,

Thank you for writing and your perspective on what I still deem to be a very difficult/ interesting/devastating/revealing aspect of what happened at the forum.
Yes – and I do agree there is more that can be said always – and in the case of history it is an ever evolving and somewhat amorphous thing: the we grow further away from it with everyday and it is important to not romanticize nor invent in the memory aspects that aren’t fact.
And we are to understand fact with our growing perspectives that change: facts don’t change, but perspectives do, opinions do.
The fact is that we have a history which we feel great shame about because the facts of that history have revealed that there was an invasion of a populated country declared “terra nullius” – that fact is a solid artefact. Our conversation is fluid.
For me – in regards to the moment of the walkout or shut down or however we term that event – it is not the detail of what happened but how we dealt with it that matters the most – what are the actions and recovery points and conversations we need to have now.
When a crisis happens the most important (and for me the most interesting) thing is not the event, but it is how we learn, grow and recover from that event.
People make mistakes.
People say and do stuff they later wish they hadn’t.
People lose their temper or their nerve or their voice or their patience.
We are all, of course people –
But its what happens next that matters.

Later my blog-sister Jane Howard asked me why I walked out.
And I answered “well for many reasons, but I guess it boils down to who I am as a person: if I see someone in distress, I check to see if they are alright.” And that’s what I did. I checked on the members of our community that were upset – because I care about them.

I also later at the pub checked in on Leon to see if he was alright – after all I’ve known him for a long time (in the early 00s he slept on my couch and we played guitar together and last year he embarrassed me in a show he made by projecting a huge youtube portrait of me citing me as “evil.”) I checked in on him because he’s a part of my community.

An yes, a conversation was shut down – but it is up to us to open it up. And every time this intensity of idea/conversation or thought rises, we have to make a decision and a commitment to talking to each other.

And its not simple.

Its hard work.

But this is what a long-term relationship is.

And we’re having a long-running artistic conversation whilst being in a long-term relationship with each other. And the sooner we realise that sense of longevity about the impact of our words and actions the closer we’ll be to having real conversation.

(In my humble opinion)

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By: Tom Gutteridge https://classic.augustasupple.com/2013/06/australian-theatre-forum-2013-thursday-before-lunch-pt-1/comment-page-1/#comment-59223 Thu, 13 Jun 2013 14:11:59 +0000 https://classic.augustasupple.com/?p=3944#comment-59223 Actually, what you are saying at the end of your blog is not that simple and I agree with it. I don’t agree with your earlier assertion that “There is no defense for our history. There is nothing more that can be said.” There always has to be more said, and history is not a solid artefact to be defended or condemned, but a contested zone that has to be continually learnt from, re-understood and interrogated.

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By: Tom Gutteridge https://classic.augustasupple.com/2013/06/australian-theatre-forum-2013-thursday-before-lunch-pt-1/comment-page-1/#comment-59221 Thu, 13 Jun 2013 14:03:13 +0000 https://classic.augustasupple.com/?p=3944#comment-59221 Hi Augusta, the problem with the events of that Thursday morning for me is that a myth has been created around Wesley’s walk out that is inaccurate. It rests on the idea that Wesley agreed with Candy Bowers’ description of Leon Ewing as a racist. My experience of the emotional turmoil was that I thought Candy had been abusive and had slammed shut any debate but that I was unable/afraid to speak – no informed position on the facts; conscious that sticking up for the rights of another white bloke would seem both pitiful and reactionary. “I mean, surely we can cop a few unfair comments and a bit of abuse given the weight of history on the other side?” I thought. But I felt bad for the rest of that day and in fact until the end of the ATF. I had hoped that Rachael Maza’s statement on behalf of the Indigenous delegates would resolve things but it didn’t really. It was great to enlist the support of everyone for their process and I certainly put my hand up, but I still felt “if there can be no discussion about difficult issues then don’t we wind up with empty rhetoric?” – like one of the final ‘Postcards from the Future’ (the guy who hadn’t prepared and just thought he could wing it). Which was then followed by Nakkiah Lui’s captivating one, of course, to remind us of what’s possible.
After the Thursday session I went and spoke to Wesley and Leon so I feel OK about my ‘position’ as it were on what actually happened. I would to be able to take as positive a spin on the events as you do at the end of your blog above (it’s almost poetry, those last few lines!) but I have a nasty feeling that it just isn’t that simple. We’re all going to have to work much harder, make fewer assumptions, expect more from each other, ask harder questions (in contexts where they aren’t going to create a gladiatorial contest), and keep working TOGETHER.

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